Political Cybernetics in Social Communities -- Maurice Yolles, July 10, 2003

47th Annual Meeting of the International Society for the Systems Sciences (ISSS), Hersonissos, Crete, July 10, 2003.

July 10, 2003, 5:30 p.m., Special Integration Group on Organizational Transformation and Social Change

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Traditionally talk about organizations as open systems

Then Stafford Beer comes along:  following Whitehead and Russell and Gunter, then not only have the system, but the meta-system.

Philosophy underlying theories:

Trying to improve Stafford's model by looking at ontological definitions.

e.g. situation in China on change, based on WTO membership.

Model not only has domain of a system and a domain of meta-system, but also a domain of virtual systems.

The paper published in proceedings is changed through editing.

Interest in political processes in social communities.

Had considered single and double-loop learning, but that model was too simplistic.

Derived from Habermas, interest in technical, practical and emancipation.

Some empirical studies on governance:  political management.

Centripetal politics:

Question:  Autopoesis and autogenesis?

Question:  Swapping dimensions?

Question:  Group or society?

Question:  Healthy systems, unhealthy systems?

Question:  Skills.  No reference to skills.  No just individuals, but do organizations have skills?

Question:  Virtual organizations as knowledge-based?

Question:  Left and right.

Comment:  Reverse axes?  When trying to get to flat organizations, trying to get to zero.

Comment:  Management dealing with pathologies.  Problem is that autopoesis and autogenesis is often described as a pathology.  E.g. a company will buy a successful software company, and then get rid of all of the parts that made it successful.


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